1 00:00:07,650 --> 00:00:08,440 There's a body of Broad Street 2 00:00:08,580 --> 00:00:09,960 was left outside Carl Lowry's offices. 3 00:00:10,100 --> 00:00:12,310 The dentist who was booked this morning 4 00:00:12,410 --> 00:00:13,720 for unholy amounts of child porn? 5 00:00:13,820 --> 00:00:15,130 There are people out there that can make 6 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:16,370 children disappear just like... 7 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:18,960 I'm just not willing to divulge that information 8 00:00:19,100 --> 00:00:20,100 without court order. 9 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:22,650 Welcome to the UK. Sorry it's shit. 10 00:00:25,370 --> 00:00:27,030 He's been given a pedicure. 11 00:00:27,130 --> 00:00:28,310 His feet are pristine. 12 00:00:28,790 --> 00:00:32,060 And I will love you whether you like it or not. 13 00:00:32,480 --> 00:00:34,240 They want our attention. 14 00:00:34,340 --> 00:00:36,310 Well they've bloody got it. 15 00:01:40,340 --> 00:01:42,030 What have you got there? 16 00:01:46,340 --> 00:01:47,790 Come here. 17 00:01:58,170 --> 00:02:00,060 Oh dear... 18 00:02:04,410 --> 00:02:08,440 Shh shh shh shh shh... 19 00:02:19,750 --> 00:02:20,930 Leave it inland 20 00:02:21,030 --> 00:02:23,060 so the foxes can have it for tea. 21 00:02:31,790 --> 00:02:33,170 Go on. 22 00:02:38,890 --> 00:02:41,790 "And God shall right all sins... 23 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,510 And there shall be no more death... 24 00:02:46,100 --> 00:02:47,550 Nor crying 25 00:02:47,650 --> 00:02:50,510 neither shall there be any more pain." 26 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:56,100 "And the sorrow ... 27 00:03:56,170 --> 00:04:00,310 You are safe Christ who died 28 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:05,000 rose again and lives forevermore. 29 00:04:05,650 --> 00:04:08,750 In the name of the Father the Son 30 00:04:09,310 --> 00:04:11,170 and the Holy Spirit." 31 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:14,860 Amen. 32 00:05:07,100 --> 00:05:08,340 No toast? 33 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:09,310 Hi Uncle Lou. 34 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,550 Ugh no! It's my morning off. 35 00:05:11,620 --> 00:05:13,270 I've got Jojo remember? Now piss off. 36 00:05:13,370 --> 00:05:14,750 Uh sorry champ. 37 00:05:15,170 --> 00:05:17,000 Found another dead body. 38 00:05:17,410 --> 00:05:18,440 Oh my God where? 39 00:05:18,550 --> 00:05:20,930 The warehouse at Filwood Green business park. 40 00:05:21,370 --> 00:05:22,750 Thoughts? 41 00:05:22,860 --> 00:05:24,200 I'm thinkin' them. 42 00:05:25,340 --> 00:05:27,100 Right I'm gonna need... 43 00:05:27,620 --> 00:05:29,790 I'm gonna need to shower if that's okay with you. 44 00:05:30,550 --> 00:05:32,620 You're lucky I'm in a hurry punk. 45 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,060 -I'm watching you. -Alex! 46 00:05:34,790 --> 00:05:36,550 Yell for Dad for me please Jojo. 47 00:05:36,860 --> 00:05:39,310 Dad Mum's going into work now! 48 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:40,790 Well you can't go in. 49 00:05:40,890 --> 00:05:43,130 Sorry to be the ghost of Christmas shite. 50 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:44,270 They've found a second body. 51 00:05:44,410 --> 00:05:45,790 Aw man... 52 00:05:45,890 --> 00:05:47,960 Okay well Lou can't you take this one? 53 00:05:48,060 --> 00:05:49,960 He can't just take this one. That's not how it works. 54 00:05:50,100 --> 00:05:52,130 This one this meeting this morning Jeanette. 55 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:53,200 I really need this. 56 00:05:53,270 --> 00:05:54,820 I mean look at you you're not even dressed. 57 00:05:54,930 --> 00:05:56,270 Excellent choice of pajamas. 58 00:05:56,370 --> 00:05:59,170 Um look dead body trumps meeting. 59 00:05:59,510 --> 00:06:00,750 Is it a serial killer? 60 00:06:00,860 --> 00:06:02,580 -No Jojo... -Potentially yes. 61 00:06:02,650 --> 00:06:03,680 -Jeanette. -What? 62 00:06:03,790 --> 00:06:04,510 You've gotta be more mindful 63 00:06:04,620 --> 00:06:05,790 he'll get nightmares again. 64 00:06:05,890 --> 00:06:07,000 Can you two just save your divorce 65 00:06:07,060 --> 00:06:09,370 until after we put this mudder behind bars please? 66 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:10,890 Well okay I can... 67 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:12,890 -I can get changed. -Please. 68 00:06:16,310 --> 00:06:18,030 Oh no. That's all wrong. 69 00:06:18,170 --> 00:06:19,240 Start again. 70 00:06:31,310 --> 00:06:33,890 A person I didn't know had ripped me open 71 00:06:34,860 --> 00:06:38,130 and I wanted it to go away not die. 72 00:06:39,860 --> 00:06:42,820 Just to never have existed at all. 73 00:06:47,620 --> 00:06:49,550 I knew it was irreversible. 74 00:06:51,790 --> 00:06:53,820 That no matter what I did... 75 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,860 It already existed in the world and it was too late. 76 00:07:01,310 --> 00:07:03,580 I suppose it was all rather funny in the end. 77 00:07:04,310 --> 00:07:06,240 What was? What was funny? 78 00:07:10,580 --> 00:07:12,860 It wasn't a baby after all. 79 00:07:14,130 --> 00:07:15,440 Well what was it? 80 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,270 An egg. 81 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,240 An egg in a onesie. 82 00:07:23,580 --> 00:07:25,100 And I cracked it. 83 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,860 Now it's not rocket science. 84 00:07:36,620 --> 00:07:39,030 Bloody woman I swear to God... 85 00:07:39,100 --> 00:07:40,340 Morning. 86 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:41,550 I've a question 87 00:07:41,650 --> 00:07:43,620 did you move my handbag from the table last night? 88 00:07:43,750 --> 00:07:45,440 -No. -Mm. 89 00:07:45,550 --> 00:07:47,860 No I wouldn't go near your handbag. 90 00:07:51,550 --> 00:07:52,580 Come on let's go. 91 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:36,550 Did you mean to keep this? 92 00:08:37,750 --> 00:08:39,310 It was weeks ago. 93 00:08:51,370 --> 00:08:52,790 Never mind. 94 00:08:55,060 --> 00:08:56,960 It's not normal to be wetting the bed at your age. 95 00:09:28,750 --> 00:09:30,240 God. 96 00:09:30,790 --> 00:09:32,240 It's a similar bag. 97 00:09:32,370 --> 00:09:33,440 Looks like. 98 00:09:33,580 --> 00:09:36,370 Young male similar injuries as the first victim. 99 00:09:36,510 --> 00:09:37,480 Cuts and bruises. 100 00:09:37,550 --> 00:09:38,650 Has he been frozen? 101 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:39,720 We have to confirm. 102 00:09:39,820 --> 00:09:41,130 -And his feet? -Neat and tidy. 103 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:42,930 Who owns this place? 104 00:09:43,060 --> 00:09:45,650 That guy. David White he's the owner. 105 00:09:45,750 --> 00:09:46,790 Okay. 106 00:09:52,820 --> 00:09:55,200 Mr. White? My name is DCI Jeanette Kilburn. 107 00:09:55,310 --> 00:09:56,580 It's all good. 108 00:09:56,680 --> 00:09:58,680 Mr. White if I could have a few minutes of your time please. 109 00:09:58,750 --> 00:10:00,650 -Yes of course. -Thank you. 110 00:10:00,750 --> 00:10:01,930 I've got a work experience lad here 111 00:10:02,060 --> 00:10:03,340 who's just found a dead body 112 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,060 and he's understandably a bit shaken. 113 00:10:05,170 --> 00:10:06,580 But if you really can't wait... 114 00:10:06,680 --> 00:10:07,790 No I really can't. 115 00:10:08,860 --> 00:10:10,200 -You okay? -Yeah. 116 00:10:11,890 --> 00:10:13,510 When did you arrive this morning? 117 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,310 6:30 had a call from Simon here on the way in. 118 00:10:17,410 --> 00:10:18,620 He was there first. 119 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:20,550 Last night what time did you leave? 120 00:10:20,650 --> 00:10:21,750 Nine. 121 00:10:21,890 --> 00:10:23,100 There's no one here after me. 122 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,060 Anything unusual any people on or around the premises 123 00:10:26,170 --> 00:10:28,340 -that normally aren't? -No nothing. 124 00:10:28,410 --> 00:10:29,580 Where were you last night? 125 00:10:30,030 --> 00:10:31,860 Well I was at home I was workin' until late. 126 00:10:31,930 --> 00:10:34,480 Anyone here able to corroborate that for you? 127 00:10:35,680 --> 00:10:37,510 Excuse me? What is is is this...? 128 00:10:37,580 --> 00:10:39,860 Do you happen to know an individual called Carl Lowry? 129 00:10:40,750 --> 00:10:42,720 Well what does it bloody matter if I know him? 130 00:10:42,790 --> 00:10:45,580 Well a dead body appears at Carl's place of work 131 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:47,060 and the very next day 132 00:10:47,580 --> 00:10:49,720 a dead body appears at your place of work 133 00:10:49,820 --> 00:10:51,820 and I'm just you know I... 134 00:10:52,170 --> 00:10:53,310 I wanna know why. 135 00:10:53,410 --> 00:10:55,060 Yeah well you and me both. 136 00:10:55,170 --> 00:10:57,750 Now all I know is I've turned up for work 137 00:10:57,890 --> 00:10:59,680 there's a dead body on my site. 138 00:10:59,790 --> 00:11:02,000 We're shut down for production which is gonna set us back 139 00:11:02,100 --> 00:11:03,930 and now I'm bein' accused of murder. 140 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,370 No no one's accusing you of murder Mr. White. 141 00:11:06,790 --> 00:11:08,620 Well you may as well have done. 142 00:11:09,310 --> 00:11:12,580 I do not like the insinuation. 143 00:11:12,680 --> 00:11:14,170 Now if you require me further 144 00:11:14,270 --> 00:11:16,310 I will come in with a lawyer to the station. 145 00:11:17,750 --> 00:11:18,790 Thank you. 146 00:11:25,750 --> 00:11:27,820 Got clear shot of CCTV from Broad Street. 147 00:11:27,930 --> 00:11:29,270 Halle-fuckin'-lujah. 148 00:11:30,340 --> 00:11:31,340 What have we got on him? 149 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,030 Oh no criminal record. Self-made millionaire. 150 00:11:34,130 --> 00:11:35,170 Our boy's done well. 151 00:11:35,270 --> 00:11:37,130 Former butcher turned entrepreneur. 152 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,480 Supplies most of pork in Somerset. 153 00:11:39,620 --> 00:11:41,580 So if you got sausages this side of the River Severn 154 00:11:41,680 --> 00:11:43,650 -chances are they're one of his. -That's disgusting. 155 00:11:43,750 --> 00:11:45,650 No fiver says Lowry is involved. 156 00:11:45,750 --> 00:11:47,270 Maybe but keep an open mind. 157 00:12:07,370 --> 00:12:09,550 My guy my guy my guy. 158 00:12:26,680 --> 00:12:28,370 We're okay. 159 00:12:28,750 --> 00:12:29,930 Thank you. 160 00:13:05,100 --> 00:13:07,310 There. Punch in. 161 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:10,750 You see? There's the bag. 162 00:13:16,790 --> 00:13:18,100 Where's he go after that? 163 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:19,200 Why are we assumin' that's a man? 164 00:13:19,310 --> 00:13:20,440 I think that's a woman. 165 00:13:20,580 --> 00:13:22,310 You know women can do anything they set their minds to 166 00:13:22,410 --> 00:13:23,480 -Jeanette. -Thank you Lou. 167 00:13:23,620 --> 00:13:25,550 The 21st century is delighted you could join us. 168 00:13:25,650 --> 00:13:26,860 Where's he go after that? 169 00:13:27,170 --> 00:13:29,100 He heads down Tailor's Court. 170 00:13:29,410 --> 00:13:31,270 He dumps the bag. 171 00:13:31,370 --> 00:13:33,240 Then he goes down to Broad Street. 172 00:13:35,030 --> 00:13:36,270 -Then we lose him. -Shit. 173 00:13:38,030 --> 00:13:39,200 Do we have today's footage? 174 00:13:39,310 --> 00:13:41,240 -Yeah yeah. -Yeah? 175 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:46,580 There we go. 176 00:13:56,510 --> 00:13:57,580 Jesus. 177 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:01,480 Fuck me. 178 00:14:05,680 --> 00:14:07,680 That's deliberate and orchestrated. 179 00:14:07,790 --> 00:14:09,000 They're talking to us. 180 00:14:09,100 --> 00:14:10,270 Yeah but what is he saying? 181 00:14:10,340 --> 00:14:11,860 "I'm a cocky murdering piece of shit 182 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:12,860 come and arrest me." 183 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,170 Very cocky. 184 00:14:14,310 --> 00:14:15,820 We need to be combing through our databases. 185 00:14:15,930 --> 00:14:17,000 Repeat offenders. 186 00:14:17,100 --> 00:14:18,680 Be specific. ABH GBH? 187 00:14:18,790 --> 00:14:21,170 Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. All of them. 188 00:14:21,270 --> 00:14:22,550 Anyone who's been recently released 189 00:14:22,650 --> 00:14:23,860 with violence on their record. 190 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:25,130 What about their feet? 191 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,620 UK-wide for any trophy hunters. 192 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,960 Absolutely yeah. But why wash their feet? 193 00:14:30,060 --> 00:14:32,440 Well I mean it might be out of respect. 194 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,620 You know someone doing something nice for them? 195 00:14:36,130 --> 00:14:38,860 You know John chapter 13 verse 14. 196 00:14:39,650 --> 00:14:40,860 "If I your Lord and Teacher 197 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:42,170 has washed your feet 198 00:14:42,270 --> 00:14:44,000 then you ought to wash one another's feet." 199 00:14:44,860 --> 00:14:47,790 So it's like the ultimate deference. 200 00:14:47,890 --> 00:14:49,510 Didn't know you were religious Mike. 201 00:14:50,130 --> 00:14:52,480 I'm not. My mom is though. 202 00:14:53,340 --> 00:14:55,310 Church was intense. 203 00:14:57,310 --> 00:14:58,370 Respect... 204 00:15:00,060 --> 00:15:01,510 And if it is respect 205 00:15:01,620 --> 00:15:03,550 it can't be the person doing the killing 206 00:15:03,650 --> 00:15:04,960 that's dumping them. 207 00:15:08,340 --> 00:15:09,550 what do you want? 208 00:15:29,550 --> 00:15:30,680 Really? 209 00:15:31,370 --> 00:15:37,240 I think anybody who wants to hurt anybody else is evil. 210 00:15:37,750 --> 00:15:39,440 And do you think Angela's evil 211 00:15:39,580 --> 00:15:41,930 or do you think her actions are evil? 212 00:15:42,580 --> 00:15:44,170 She tried to kill me. 213 00:15:44,890 --> 00:15:48,030 I know she's unhappy but I'm not. 214 00:15:50,650 --> 00:15:52,170 When I've spoken to Angela 215 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,240 she's made it very clear that it's her own life 216 00:15:54,370 --> 00:15:55,860 she wishes to end. 217 00:15:55,930 --> 00:15:58,720 Her depression it's it's all-consuming. 218 00:15:58,820 --> 00:16:02,310 She's not currently able to factor you into her thinking. 219 00:16:05,130 --> 00:16:07,680 I just want a normal life. 220 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,720 Just want to live without... 221 00:16:19,930 --> 00:16:20,960 Angela? 222 00:16:33,030 --> 00:16:34,820 Am I speaking to Angela? 223 00:16:37,370 --> 00:16:38,510 It's me. 224 00:16:39,620 --> 00:16:40,650 Sophia. 225 00:16:44,890 --> 00:16:46,580 Angela... 226 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,580 No no no no. 227 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,890 I don't wanna hurt anyone else. 228 00:17:05,890 --> 00:17:09,550 Just don't wanna be here anymore. 229 00:17:18,030 --> 00:17:19,680 Can't do it. 230 00:17:20,620 --> 00:17:21,820 Can't. 231 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:24,960 What what can't you do? 232 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:42,960 It's okay. 233 00:17:43,550 --> 00:17:44,890 It's okay. 234 00:17:48,130 --> 00:17:49,860 Here. 235 00:17:55,860 --> 00:17:58,550 Lidocaine it's a local anesthetic. 236 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:00,000 It's not particularly powerful 237 00:18:00,060 --> 00:18:02,310 and it has a relatively short half-life. 238 00:18:02,620 --> 00:18:03,820 How is it used traditionally? 239 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,030 Primarily pain management but that can come in all forms. 240 00:18:07,100 --> 00:18:09,270 So minor surgeries. 241 00:18:09,750 --> 00:18:12,720 You get it in the cream that you use on bites 242 00:18:12,820 --> 00:18:14,480 if you're havin' a filling done that kind of thing. 243 00:18:14,580 --> 00:18:17,130 Could be a drug Carl Lowry uses on the daily. 244 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,270 Sorry Eva go on. 245 00:18:19,820 --> 00:18:21,000 Epidurals. 246 00:18:21,510 --> 00:18:23,410 But that is heavily controlled. 247 00:18:23,510 --> 00:18:27,680 This this has been injected straight into his bloodstream. 248 00:18:27,790 --> 00:18:28,890 It is the cause of death? 249 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,930 Lidocaine is not powerful enough to poison him 250 00:18:32,030 --> 00:18:33,960 but you see here? 251 00:18:34,060 --> 00:18:36,510 There's a single puncture mark on his wrist. 252 00:18:36,620 --> 00:18:37,930 It looks like a cannula. 253 00:18:38,060 --> 00:18:39,860 like he's been hooked up to a bag. 254 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,440 Whatever it was they were drugging him for 255 00:18:42,580 --> 00:18:44,060 they wanted him wide awake. 256 00:18:44,650 --> 00:18:47,440 So quite possibly he's been tortured. 257 00:18:47,820 --> 00:18:50,410 Look why don't I go through what I've got? 258 00:18:50,790 --> 00:18:53,060 No obvious signs of brain trauma. 259 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:55,860 But that'll be sent off for further testing. 260 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,240 Here you can see the shattered cheekbone. 261 00:19:00,100 --> 00:19:03,650 His knuckles they're shot to shit. 262 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,510 Defensive wounds everywhere. 263 00:19:06,620 --> 00:19:08,720 And these these missing fingers 264 00:19:09,510 --> 00:19:11,100 they've been bitten off. 265 00:19:13,510 --> 00:19:14,680 Can you age him? 266 00:19:14,820 --> 00:19:16,860 I put him about 17. 267 00:19:17,510 --> 00:19:19,750 Heritage unknown as of yet. 268 00:19:19,860 --> 00:19:21,790 Has he been sexually assaulted? 269 00:19:24,270 --> 00:19:25,930 No evidence that I can see 270 00:19:26,030 --> 00:19:27,100 but we can't rule it out. 271 00:19:27,170 --> 00:19:28,410 Look it's not Lowry's MO. 272 00:19:28,510 --> 00:19:32,510 He likes little girls no killin' young men. 273 00:19:32,620 --> 00:19:34,930 Did you know Lou that it's possible to be into 274 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,510 two abhorrent things at the same time? 275 00:19:37,620 --> 00:19:41,000 But the feet the feet is where it gets interesting. 276 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:43,170 Pristine. 277 00:19:43,790 --> 00:19:46,680 Savlon on the cuts and the blisters. 278 00:19:46,790 --> 00:19:49,200 His nails they've been cleaned and trimmed. 279 00:19:49,340 --> 00:19:51,060 It's very very weird. 280 00:19:51,340 --> 00:19:54,030 And similarities with our guy at the warehouse? 281 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:58,030 Well I mean I obviously haven't done the PM. 282 00:19:58,170 --> 00:20:00,170 Because he only came in this morning 283 00:20:00,270 --> 00:20:03,340 and if you recall I am not an actual wizard. 284 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:05,440 -Mm-hm. -But I did manage to get 285 00:20:05,550 --> 00:20:07,170 bloods off to toxicology. 286 00:20:07,820 --> 00:20:09,100 Oh my God have you? 287 00:20:09,650 --> 00:20:11,750 Tox shows lidocaine in both. 288 00:20:11,860 --> 00:20:12,650 -Yes! -Ow! 289 00:20:12,750 --> 00:20:13,510 Yes. 290 00:20:13,650 --> 00:20:15,000 You know I didn't kill him right? 291 00:20:15,130 --> 00:20:16,650 Well you know what I'm gonna get that interview today. 292 00:20:16,750 --> 00:20:17,960 I'm gonna get it. 293 00:20:18,030 --> 00:20:19,930 Eva if you could get a wiggle on the warehouse guy's PM 294 00:20:20,030 --> 00:20:21,100 that would be much-appreciated. 295 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,000 Now did you schedule your party in the end? 296 00:20:23,100 --> 00:20:24,270 Yes tomorrow night. 297 00:20:24,370 --> 00:20:26,960 I booked out a karaoke booth until late. 298 00:20:27,310 --> 00:20:28,170 You're not gonna believe this. 299 00:20:28,270 --> 00:20:29,860 Okay but my son Jojo 300 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:31,480 he does have a football tournament 301 00:20:31,580 --> 00:20:32,960 -Tomorrow night. -Oh no come on! 302 00:20:33,030 --> 00:20:34,960 -He does it's the truth. -No no no. 303 00:20:35,030 --> 00:20:35,960 It's the truth. 304 00:20:36,030 --> 00:20:37,170 That's a very interesting time to schedule 305 00:20:37,270 --> 00:20:39,440 a children's football tournament no? 306 00:20:39,550 --> 00:20:40,750 Hm? 307 00:21:03,270 --> 00:21:04,930 I'm gonna phone that woman again. 308 00:21:05,030 --> 00:21:06,100 -The psychiatrist? -Yeah. 309 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,410 Don't make things easy for yourself do you? 310 00:21:08,510 --> 00:21:09,620 No. 311 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:12,620 Hello? 312 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,550 Oh hi is this Dr. Sophia Craven? 313 00:21:14,650 --> 00:21:15,650 Speaking. 314 00:21:15,750 --> 00:21:18,000 Yeah this is DCI Jeanette Kilburn. 315 00:21:18,100 --> 00:21:19,270 I was wonderin' if you were at 316 00:21:19,370 --> 00:21:20,750 liberty at all to discuss Carl Lowry? 317 00:21:20,860 --> 00:21:22,370 I have a client soon but a quick coffee? 318 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:23,790 No no no no that's great. 319 00:21:23,890 --> 00:21:24,790 I'll text you the address. 320 00:21:24,890 --> 00:21:25,930 Yeah I can be there straight away. 321 00:21:26,060 --> 00:21:27,480 -Great. -Yeah okay listen 322 00:21:27,580 --> 00:21:28,510 I can't thank you enough... 323 00:21:28,580 --> 00:21:30,060 She's hung up on me so... 324 00:21:30,580 --> 00:21:31,890 Wow okay I've got to go. 325 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,240 Yeah of course you do. 326 00:21:33,310 --> 00:21:35,200 If you need me I'll be in the office doin' my job. 327 00:21:35,310 --> 00:21:36,270 Tryin' not to get myself fired. 328 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:12,960 Stop! 329 00:22:13,060 --> 00:22:14,340 Stop it now! 330 00:22:29,410 --> 00:22:30,510 Enough! 331 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:34,580 Fuck you. 332 00:22:47,340 --> 00:22:48,310 Hm. 333 00:22:58,100 --> 00:22:59,370 What is this? 334 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,030 Thanks. 335 00:23:29,550 --> 00:23:30,650 Thanks. 336 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:32,030 Hey. 337 00:23:32,340 --> 00:23:33,550 Hi. 338 00:23:33,650 --> 00:23:35,440 Uh I wasn't sure how much time you had 339 00:23:35,550 --> 00:23:36,550 so I ordered you a coffee 340 00:23:36,650 --> 00:23:37,960 but then I thought maybe you wanted tea 341 00:23:38,060 --> 00:23:40,100 so I just got both and then I saw a sticky bun 342 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,000 and I thought "You can't go wrong with a sticky bun 343 00:23:42,100 --> 00:23:43,270 can you?" 344 00:23:43,370 --> 00:23:46,440 So um I'm very grateful that you've agreed to meet me. 345 00:23:49,580 --> 00:23:50,820 Sorry. Jeanette. 346 00:23:52,170 --> 00:23:53,720 Sorry are you the...? 347 00:23:53,790 --> 00:23:54,930 The lift bitch? 348 00:23:55,030 --> 00:23:56,620 Yes that's me. 349 00:23:57,410 --> 00:23:58,790 Sorry. 350 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:02,410 I'll take the coffee. 351 00:24:02,510 --> 00:24:03,620 Okay. 352 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,030 Look um sorry I was a bit tricky on the phone 353 00:24:07,130 --> 00:24:08,510 it's um... 354 00:24:08,650 --> 00:24:10,200 It was a work crisis. 355 00:24:10,310 --> 00:24:12,930 It's fine honestly. I've been there. 356 00:24:13,790 --> 00:24:16,960 Um I'm currently in charge of uh 357 00:24:17,060 --> 00:24:18,820 an active murder investigation. 358 00:24:18,930 --> 00:24:20,100 Mm-hm. 359 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,510 Um at stake my professional reputation 360 00:24:22,620 --> 00:24:25,130 Carl Lowry is somehow involved. 361 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,680 Wow that's uh... 362 00:24:30,410 --> 00:24:31,480 Extreme. 363 00:24:31,580 --> 00:24:33,680 I'm truly in a tricky tight rope here. 364 00:24:33,790 --> 00:24:36,890 My access to him has been slightly hampered. 365 00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:38,580 Ah. 366 00:24:38,890 --> 00:24:39,860 I'd be very grateful 367 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:41,240 if you could tell me what you know. 368 00:24:41,620 --> 00:24:43,170 And of course... 369 00:24:43,310 --> 00:24:46,100 You understand that this is confidential information? 370 00:24:46,170 --> 00:24:47,790 There's someone out there killing young men. 371 00:24:49,030 --> 00:24:51,480 I might be absolutely wrong about Lowry 372 00:24:51,580 --> 00:24:53,000 but two men are dead 373 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,860 and I am terrified that there is gonna be a third. 374 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,100 So please please. 375 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,240 Can you tell me anything about his psychology? 376 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,720 He truly believes he's done nothing wrong. 377 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,100 He understands that society condemns what he's done but... 378 00:25:13,580 --> 00:25:15,750 He has these core beliefs that 379 00:25:15,860 --> 00:25:17,410 this is the natural order of things 380 00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:18,580 and that therefore 381 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,750 he's ultimately and fundamentally correct. 382 00:25:20,860 --> 00:25:22,130 Fuck me. 383 00:25:22,410 --> 00:25:24,200 Said he could buy me a child. 384 00:25:25,860 --> 00:25:27,820 There are people he knows can produce a child 385 00:25:27,890 --> 00:25:30,060 and make it disappear just as quickly. 386 00:25:36,170 --> 00:25:39,270 In your professional opinion is he capable of murder? 387 00:25:40,170 --> 00:25:41,410 Oh we all are. 388 00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:44,130 Just can't tell you if he's guilty of your murders. 389 00:25:45,410 --> 00:25:47,240 Don't stop looking will you? 390 00:25:50,340 --> 00:25:52,410 I think there's something awful underneath all this 391 00:25:52,510 --> 00:25:54,060 that I'm just not privy to. 392 00:25:56,340 --> 00:25:58,820 There's people like that among us all the time right? 393 00:25:58,930 --> 00:26:00,130 We meet them every day. 394 00:26:02,100 --> 00:26:03,270 Occupational hazard. 395 00:26:03,370 --> 00:26:05,000 I mean I sometimes find it really hard 396 00:26:05,130 --> 00:26:06,680 not to think everybody's bad. 397 00:26:07,170 --> 00:26:08,130 Including me? 398 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,930 I I don't I don't often deal with people like him. 399 00:26:15,030 --> 00:26:16,790 My main area of work is trauma patients. 400 00:26:16,930 --> 00:26:17,820 Mm-hm. 401 00:26:17,930 --> 00:26:20,270 Dissociative identities PTSD. 402 00:26:20,620 --> 00:26:23,310 Can't make your past disappear but you can make it hurt less. 403 00:26:23,410 --> 00:26:25,130 How does that sit with you then? 404 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,310 You're helping the victims' and perpetrators. 405 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,580 Well I have met people like him before. 406 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,100 He is different. 407 00:26:34,340 --> 00:26:37,130 God how does it sit with me? I don't know ask me tomorrow. 408 00:26:39,860 --> 00:26:41,240 Is everything alright? 409 00:26:41,310 --> 00:26:42,310 Ah shoot. 410 00:26:42,820 --> 00:26:44,440 Yeah I've just gotta head back to the station 411 00:26:44,510 --> 00:26:45,930 for uh a bollocking. 412 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,270 Okay. 413 00:26:47,620 --> 00:26:48,750 Look... 414 00:26:49,100 --> 00:26:51,580 Is there any way I could talk to you further? 415 00:26:51,650 --> 00:26:52,820 This has been immensely helpful. 416 00:26:52,930 --> 00:26:54,550 Truly can check me schedule. 417 00:26:54,620 --> 00:26:55,930 Thank you. 418 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,340 Serious thank you. Thank you thank you. 419 00:27:02,860 --> 00:27:04,340 Before I go um... 420 00:27:05,930 --> 00:27:08,310 If they got me this interview what should I ask? 421 00:27:10,170 --> 00:27:12,750 Ask him if the psychiatrist did a good job. 422 00:27:13,860 --> 00:27:15,240 Thank you. 423 00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:16,650 I'll let you know. 424 00:27:40,580 --> 00:27:42,000 Good afternoon ma'am. 425 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,960 Well two men dead in as many days. 426 00:27:45,060 --> 00:27:46,550 It's not really is it? 427 00:27:47,370 --> 00:27:49,820 Uh I understand optics aren't great... 428 00:27:49,890 --> 00:27:54,480 'Optics' is such an ugly word. Two men are dead. 429 00:27:55,170 --> 00:27:56,650 Let's focus on that okay? 430 00:27:56,750 --> 00:27:57,720 Yes ma'am. 431 00:27:58,340 --> 00:28:00,620 The minute the podcasters get their hands on it 432 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,370 our investigation is toast. 433 00:28:03,410 --> 00:28:05,310 Decades of policing under our belt. 434 00:28:05,410 --> 00:28:07,100 But a teenager buys a microphone on Amazon 435 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:08,960 and suddenly they're Sherlock fucking Holmes. 436 00:28:09,100 --> 00:28:11,550 Young Mike here has been catching me up on 437 00:28:11,620 --> 00:28:13,100 your meeting with Dr. Craven. 438 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:14,580 I understand you're unhappy 439 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,930 but I received intel that's extremely pertinent to the case. 440 00:28:18,370 --> 00:28:21,410 Dr. Craven has informed me that Carl Lowry 441 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,890 is involved in a pedophile ring of sorts 442 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,340 that procures and disposes of children. 443 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,480 I appreciate that the link to David White is tenuous. 444 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,100 But we've got Lowry in custody. 445 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:35,790 Before he slips out of here on bail 446 00:28:35,890 --> 00:28:37,440 we should lean on him ma'am. 447 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,240 You may have your interview. 448 00:28:45,550 --> 00:28:48,790 But your conduct may well result in my making a referral 449 00:28:48,890 --> 00:28:50,890 to the Professional Standards Department. 450 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:52,890 I understand that ma'am thank you. 451 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,620 We are all on the same side Jeanette. 452 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,440 You'd do well to remember that. 453 00:28:58,890 --> 00:29:00,310 Thank you ma'am. 454 00:29:07,340 --> 00:29:08,510 -Ma'am I'm so-- -Don't worry about it 455 00:29:08,620 --> 00:29:09,440 it's fine. 456 00:29:12,100 --> 00:29:13,860 Fucking twat. 457 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,200 So as you can see 458 00:29:28,340 --> 00:29:30,060 Alsace-lorraine is valuable territory 459 00:29:30,170 --> 00:29:31,620 even at this point in history 460 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,680 and sits firmly within German empire post Franco-Prussian war. 461 00:29:37,030 --> 00:29:38,370 What are you gonna wear? 462 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:40,580 I don't know. 463 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,130 Something I'd wanna fuck me in. 464 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,440 Mate you could cover yourself head to toe in shit 465 00:29:44,510 --> 00:29:46,410 and he'd still fuck you. 466 00:29:46,890 --> 00:29:48,000 He's obsessed. 467 00:29:48,340 --> 00:29:49,510 Don't even. 468 00:29:49,620 --> 00:29:51,480 I'm mucking out on the farm in the morning 469 00:29:51,550 --> 00:29:53,750 so I genuinely might stink of shit. 470 00:29:54,510 --> 00:29:57,550 You're losing your virginity this week you total slut. 471 00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,620 Just don't have sex in my parents' bed 472 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,310 or we can never have a party again. 473 00:30:01,370 --> 00:30:03,860 Like you can have sex in my bed 474 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,310 as long as you don't squirt. 475 00:30:05,370 --> 00:30:08,550 Charlie! My God what is wrong with you? 476 00:30:12,820 --> 00:30:14,860 What makes you you? 477 00:30:15,130 --> 00:30:17,620 Obliterated in a single war. 478 00:30:25,030 --> 00:30:27,410 Hey you don't have to do that. 479 00:30:28,030 --> 00:30:29,510 And we don't want these. 480 00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:33,820 You don't want the chocolate? 481 00:30:42,130 --> 00:30:43,370 Okay. 482 00:30:54,130 --> 00:30:55,930 So you can fight yeah? 483 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,680 How would you like to make £300? 484 00:31:00,790 --> 00:31:01,890 Doing what? 485 00:31:05,890 --> 00:31:07,580 There's a gym around the corner. 486 00:31:08,790 --> 00:31:13,580 You practice punching. When you're ready you fight. 487 00:31:14,860 --> 00:31:16,550 It's £300 each time. 488 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:18,890 You don't have to win. 489 00:31:20,370 --> 00:31:21,620 I don't have to win? 490 00:31:23,930 --> 00:31:25,100 I'm serious. 491 00:31:26,930 --> 00:31:30,060 Come along tonight and bring the kid. 492 00:31:41,100 --> 00:31:43,410 For the tape this is DCI Jeanette Kilburn 493 00:31:43,510 --> 00:31:47,100 interviewing Mr. Carl Lowry who's declined 494 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,860 legal representation present. 495 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:49,890 Is this correct? 496 00:31:50,030 --> 00:31:51,000 -Why waste their time? -Fair enough. 497 00:31:51,060 --> 00:31:52,750 -No coffee. -Mm. 498 00:31:57,580 --> 00:31:59,240 So you're someone else to know what it's like 499 00:31:59,340 --> 00:32:01,370 to be sexually attracted to children? 500 00:32:03,410 --> 00:32:04,440 Does it feel good 501 00:32:04,510 --> 00:32:07,340 to finally be able to talk about it Carl? 502 00:32:08,650 --> 00:32:11,960 You know it really does. 503 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,440 You can end up living a half-life 504 00:32:15,890 --> 00:32:17,340 siphoning yourself away. 505 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:18,790 It feels like a lie. 506 00:32:19,310 --> 00:32:20,510 Because... 507 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,410 In a world that harps on representation 508 00:32:23,510 --> 00:32:26,930 I will never see the way that I experience love as acceptable. 509 00:32:28,890 --> 00:32:30,200 It depresses me. 510 00:32:45,790 --> 00:32:47,370 Tell me what you know about him Carl. 511 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:48,930 Why are you showing me this? 512 00:32:49,030 --> 00:32:51,440 Well I've been told that you're the man in the know 513 00:32:51,550 --> 00:32:53,930 when it comes to buying and disposing of children. 514 00:32:55,620 --> 00:32:57,960 So tell me who is this young man 515 00:32:58,060 --> 00:32:59,510 and how did you kill him? 516 00:32:59,620 --> 00:33:00,860 I didn't. 517 00:33:01,580 --> 00:33:03,310 This young man's body was found 518 00:33:04,270 --> 00:33:07,510 outside your offices yesterday morning. 519 00:33:08,370 --> 00:33:09,370 Toxicology reports are back 520 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,000 and he's pumped full of lidocaine. 521 00:33:25,100 --> 00:33:26,860 This young man he was found this morning 522 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,310 outside a meat packing warehouse 523 00:33:29,860 --> 00:33:32,720 also pumped full of lidocaine. 524 00:33:35,130 --> 00:33:36,820 What's so funny Carl? 525 00:33:36,930 --> 00:33:38,170 Oh all of it. 526 00:33:39,310 --> 00:33:40,790 All of it and none of it. 527 00:33:41,510 --> 00:33:43,170 Did you kill these boys? 528 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,100 I'm afraid DCI Kilburn you're very much mistaken. 529 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,170 Are you saying you're innocent in this? 530 00:33:49,410 --> 00:33:51,130 I don't like little boys. 531 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,060 -You like little girls. -What's not to like? 532 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:54,550 Do you know David White? 533 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,680 I honestly couldn't tell you I'm afraid. 534 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,890 Do any of your friends like young boys Carl? 535 00:34:03,620 --> 00:34:05,580 Of your friends who like little boys 536 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,620 any of them into torture? 537 00:34:08,750 --> 00:34:10,750 I don't know who you could be referring to. 538 00:34:10,890 --> 00:34:12,200 You explain something to me. 539 00:34:12,270 --> 00:34:15,650 Explain why you're so at ease outing yourself as a pedophile 540 00:34:15,790 --> 00:34:18,030 so reluctant to confessing to being a murderer? 541 00:34:18,550 --> 00:34:20,820 Simple because I've never murdered anyone. 542 00:34:20,930 --> 00:34:22,370 Help me find who did then. 543 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,410 Because I think you can help because I think you know. 544 00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:25,720 I think you know. 545 00:34:27,170 --> 00:34:28,270 And if I do? 546 00:34:30,100 --> 00:34:31,440 It wouldn't make a difference. 547 00:34:35,930 --> 00:34:38,370 Did the psychiatrist do a good job? 548 00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:50,510 She didn't do the job she was supposed to. 549 00:34:52,890 --> 00:34:55,310 Now I'd be grateful if I could return to my cell 550 00:34:55,410 --> 00:34:56,750 ahead of my imminent bail. 551 00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:07,680 Interview terminated at 4:34 P.M. 552 00:35:10,410 --> 00:35:12,340 I'm gonna find out what's goin' on here. 553 00:35:14,340 --> 00:35:15,750 Everything. 554 00:35:16,930 --> 00:35:18,200 You know that don't you? 555 00:35:24,550 --> 00:35:25,750 How did that go? 556 00:35:25,890 --> 00:35:27,550 What the hell was that? He's a slippery fucker. 557 00:35:27,650 --> 00:35:28,930 He's a classic pedo. 558 00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:30,200 Oh don't say pedo. 559 00:35:30,310 --> 00:35:32,860 Right so we know that it is not him 560 00:35:32,930 --> 00:35:36,510 physically dumping these bodies but I still think he's involved. 561 00:35:36,620 --> 00:35:38,340 -Why? -Because he's frightened. 562 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,130 I mean he's shit-scared. 563 00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:43,550 Something he said about all of it and none of it. 564 00:35:43,650 --> 00:35:44,960 I mean he knows what's happened 565 00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:46,960 he just won't say or he can't say. 566 00:35:47,060 --> 00:35:48,240 Which is it? Fuck. 567 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,100 Let's see what she's gonna say. 568 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:52,860 Give me a second. 569 00:35:53,860 --> 00:35:55,720 -Hello? -Dr. Craven? 570 00:35:55,820 --> 00:35:57,720 Hi this is um DCI Jeanette Kilburn. 571 00:35:57,860 --> 00:35:59,370 Ah yes. Hi Jeanette. 572 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,790 Yeah listen I just interviewed Carl Lowry 573 00:36:02,930 --> 00:36:04,130 and I've got more questions than answers 574 00:36:04,270 --> 00:36:06,750 and um I know that I already owe you a favor... 575 00:36:07,370 --> 00:36:09,720 But I was just wondering if it's possible to meet up. 576 00:36:09,790 --> 00:36:13,340 Uh of course. Uh I'm free this evening. 577 00:36:13,410 --> 00:36:14,480 Yes that's good. 578 00:36:14,580 --> 00:36:15,960 -Great. -Yeah I can do that. 579 00:36:16,100 --> 00:36:18,240 You can come around to mine. I'll send you my address. 580 00:36:18,340 --> 00:36:19,680 Sounds like a plan. 581 00:36:19,790 --> 00:36:21,130 Okay I'll be straight there. I really appreciate this. 582 00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:22,170 Thanks ma'am. 583 00:36:22,270 --> 00:36:23,310 -Okay. -Yeah thanks very much. 584 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:24,310 -Buh-bye. -Bye. 585 00:36:24,750 --> 00:36:25,580 You're sure she doesn't fancy you? 586 00:36:25,650 --> 00:36:26,720 Grow the fuck up for fuck's sake. 587 00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:29,440 Right you gonna give me a lift home or what? 588 00:36:29,580 --> 00:36:31,960 Uh-huh. After you. 589 00:36:33,060 --> 00:36:34,410 -Good night ma'am. -Good night Mike. 590 00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:35,930 Good night. 591 00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:48,550 Come in. 592 00:36:50,370 --> 00:36:51,410 David. 593 00:36:52,270 --> 00:36:55,270 Oh I'm so sorry your appointment was earlier 594 00:36:55,370 --> 00:36:57,240 and I'm afraid you've missed your slot. 595 00:36:57,860 --> 00:36:59,650 I can see you at the same time next week. 596 00:36:59,750 --> 00:37:02,000 If you don't mind I'd really like to talk now 597 00:37:02,100 --> 00:37:03,130 if you're free. 598 00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:08,000 It's urgent please. I'll pay again of course. 599 00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:14,510 Take a seat. 600 00:37:15,170 --> 00:37:16,480 Thank you. 601 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,000 I had a pretty horrific day. 602 00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:20,130 Oh yeah? 603 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:23,620 And what's happened? 604 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:24,820 What would you like to tell me about? 605 00:37:25,170 --> 00:37:26,860 Well somethin' has happened. 606 00:37:27,370 --> 00:37:29,060 Somethin' that wasn't supposed to happen. 607 00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:37,030 And we need to talk about control. 608 00:37:42,930 --> 00:37:45,340 What is it about control that you'd like to discuss? 609 00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:49,000 I'd like to play the shopping game. 610 00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:53,480 Alright we can do that David. 611 00:38:06,340 --> 00:38:07,510 David. 612 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,960 Today I went to the shop and I bought... 613 00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:22,130 An egg. 614 00:38:24,100 --> 00:38:25,440 Today I went to the shop 615 00:38:25,550 --> 00:38:27,650 and I bought an egg and some bacon. 616 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,860 Today I went to the shop 617 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:36,960 and I bought an egg some bacon and... 618 00:38:39,370 --> 00:38:40,890 A silencer. 619 00:38:50,410 --> 00:38:52,060 It's your turn. 620 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:55,790 Today I went to the shop 621 00:38:55,890 --> 00:38:59,100 and I bought an egg some bacon a silencer... 622 00:39:06,030 --> 00:39:07,510 And a tea set. 623 00:39:14,620 --> 00:39:16,930 Thank you for humoring me. 624 00:39:42,310 --> 00:39:44,130 Please may I be excused? 625 00:39:48,270 --> 00:39:51,000 Not until your father's finished. 626 00:39:56,720 --> 00:39:57,790 But I have homework to do. 627 00:39:57,890 --> 00:39:59,510 Your mother said no. 628 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:01,930 No means no. 629 00:40:23,370 --> 00:40:24,580 Sorry. 630 00:40:24,930 --> 00:40:26,790 Poured you a glass of wine without even askin'. 631 00:40:26,930 --> 00:40:28,620 Oh sure. 632 00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:34,550 Lowry's not a victim is he? 633 00:40:34,650 --> 00:40:36,000 He's not being set up? 634 00:40:36,820 --> 00:40:38,310 What makes you say that? 635 00:40:38,650 --> 00:40:41,000 When I showed him the photographs I don't know. 636 00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:43,620 I don't think he'd seen them before you know? 637 00:40:43,720 --> 00:40:45,960 But he didn't seem surprised either. 638 00:40:46,650 --> 00:40:48,200 So what do you make of that? 639 00:40:48,310 --> 00:40:49,650 Oh he's involved. 640 00:40:50,130 --> 00:40:53,650 I know he is I just I don't know how directly. 641 00:40:54,930 --> 00:40:57,440 How common is it for someone's victimology to change? 642 00:40:57,860 --> 00:40:59,930 Oh it's relatively rare. 643 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,720 Actually dependent on things like motive opportunity. 644 00:41:06,550 --> 00:41:07,860 Have you ever been so sure of somethin' 645 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,200 it almost sets your teeth on edge? 646 00:41:12,620 --> 00:41:13,790 Yeah. 647 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,930 Yeah I have. 648 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,370 Uh I had a client a young woman. 649 00:41:24,030 --> 00:41:28,000 There was something there it was something ugly. 650 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:33,820 She completely preoccupied me 651 00:41:33,890 --> 00:41:36,200 to detriment of my other clients truth be told. 652 00:41:36,550 --> 00:41:38,170 What was it about? 653 00:41:39,130 --> 00:41:43,720 She was alluring puzzling terrifying. 654 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,720 And I must've pushed too hard 655 00:41:46,820 --> 00:41:49,200 because uh something awful happened. 656 00:41:52,060 --> 00:41:55,340 Uh she tried to take her life in a session with me. 657 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:56,680 Christ. 658 00:42:00,310 --> 00:42:02,620 Yeah I uh took her to the hospital. 659 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:04,750 The reason I bring her up though 660 00:42:04,860 --> 00:42:06,270 is because when I was with her 661 00:42:06,370 --> 00:42:08,790 I've never been so sure in my entire life of something 662 00:42:08,890 --> 00:42:10,860 That feeling you just described it... 663 00:42:12,100 --> 00:42:14,580 I know it because it it haunts me. 664 00:42:17,130 --> 00:42:18,100 What happened to her? 665 00:42:21,930 --> 00:42:23,550 She... 666 00:42:23,650 --> 00:42:24,820 She vanished. 667 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:27,100 Hi-ya. 668 00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:30,410 Oh God Jojo you scared the life out of me. 669 00:42:30,930 --> 00:42:32,000 Have you found the person who 670 00:42:32,100 --> 00:42:33,440 murdered the boys in the bags yet? 671 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,340 Uh Jojo this is Dr. Craven she's a colleague. 672 00:42:39,340 --> 00:42:40,550 -Hello. -Hi. 673 00:42:40,650 --> 00:42:43,930 She's a psychiatrist and she's assisting someone 674 00:42:44,030 --> 00:42:45,620 and we wanna know if they did it or not 675 00:42:45,720 --> 00:42:47,580 and Dr. Craven is in a good position 676 00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:48,790 to tell us how. 677 00:42:48,890 --> 00:42:51,000 Oh. Interesting. 678 00:42:51,860 --> 00:42:53,100 Mm-hm. 679 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,060 Where's your dad? Is he sleeping? 680 00:42:55,860 --> 00:42:57,240 Uh... 681 00:42:57,340 --> 00:42:58,410 Hello? 682 00:42:58,750 --> 00:43:00,270 -Hi. -Oh hi. 683 00:43:04,340 --> 00:43:06,680 Did you uh did you leave our 13-year-old son 684 00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:08,030 at home by himself? 685 00:43:08,170 --> 00:43:10,310 I had that meeting today remember? 686 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,000 Oh come on he's 13. He's more than capable. 687 00:43:14,130 --> 00:43:15,680 I was left at home on my own at 13. 688 00:43:15,790 --> 00:43:17,620 Yeah so was I that's because we're dinosaurs. 689 00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:19,440 That's completely unacceptable. 690 00:43:19,550 --> 00:43:20,680 Mum it was fine. 691 00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:21,930 I I had a sandwich for lunch 692 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,130 I didn't touch the hob I played Fortnite. 693 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:25,200 It was fun. 694 00:43:25,310 --> 00:43:26,410 So gaming and lunch? How long were you gone? 695 00:43:26,510 --> 00:43:28,340 It was a full meeting Jeanette. I don't know. 696 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:29,620 -About four hours? -Four hours? 697 00:43:29,720 --> 00:43:31,310 You left me no choice. 698 00:43:31,410 --> 00:43:34,270 I needed to go to her meeting and it worked out didn't it? 699 00:43:34,340 --> 00:43:35,750 -Guess what? -Hm? 700 00:43:35,860 --> 00:43:37,340 I made a sale. 701 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:39,130 Yes. 702 00:43:39,550 --> 00:43:40,820 I made a fucking sale 703 00:43:40,930 --> 00:43:42,620 and Joe didn't burn the bloody house down. 704 00:43:43,060 --> 00:43:45,410 I'm so sorry gotta head. 705 00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:47,750 Hi I'm Alex. 706 00:43:47,820 --> 00:43:49,370 -Sorry I... -Sophia this is Alex. 707 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,030 Alex this is Sophia and I'm really sorry 708 00:43:51,130 --> 00:43:52,680 because a domestic was absolutely not 709 00:43:52,820 --> 00:43:54,000 on the cards today. 710 00:43:54,130 --> 00:43:55,680 Yeah we can talk about that later. 711 00:43:55,790 --> 00:43:56,820 Sorry to interrupt. 712 00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:58,750 Mm please um thank you. 713 00:43:59,240 --> 00:44:01,820 Uh just call me if you need anything. 714 00:44:01,890 --> 00:44:03,440 You sure you don't want to stay? 715 00:44:03,580 --> 00:44:04,820 Jojo and I can make ourselves scarce. 716 00:44:04,930 --> 00:44:06,240 No no. Honestly it's fine. 717 00:44:06,370 --> 00:44:08,480 Um congratulations and uh lovely to meet you. 718 00:44:08,580 --> 00:44:10,960 Just message me if you need anything yeah? 719 00:44:13,650 --> 00:44:14,680 Oh... 720 00:44:27,650 --> 00:44:29,340 Is this the gym? 721 00:44:43,100 --> 00:44:44,820 Stay out of trouble eh? 722 00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,200 Good boy! Go! 723 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,130 Okay boys we're gonna . 724 00:45:07,240 --> 00:45:08,580 So let's go. 725 00:45:08,650 --> 00:45:13,480 One two three four 726 00:45:13,580 --> 00:45:15,750 five six. 727 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,750 Keep it straight get those legs straight. 728 00:45:21,060 --> 00:45:22,310 One. 729 00:45:22,820 --> 00:45:24,240 Two. 730 00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:25,720 Three. 731 00:46:09,650 --> 00:46:12,410 Tell me about your mother Victoria. 732 00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,060 What was she like? 733 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:16,580 Blind. 734 00:46:18,270 --> 00:46:21,410 Vacuous self-centered. 735 00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:25,680 Cruel. 736 00:46:26,310 --> 00:46:28,480 Alright... 737 00:46:28,580 --> 00:46:30,510 What did she do that was so cruel? 738 00:46:32,340 --> 00:46:33,580 She didn't do anything. 739 00:46:35,650 --> 00:46:37,200 That was just it you see. 740 00:46:40,890 --> 00:46:43,550 A person's cruelty isn't measured by what they do. 741 00:46:44,130 --> 00:46:47,270 Right. I'm going out. 742 00:46:50,370 --> 00:46:51,860 It's what they don't do. 743 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,480 And my mummy... 744 00:47:14,060 --> 00:47:15,440 Let it all happen. 745 00:47:16,820 --> 00:47:17,930 All of it.